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The first BMWCCR race of 2018 will take place at Castle Combe and will be the first official BMW Car Club race for many years so please come and support the drivers and enjoy the racing

We hope to have regional displays from Western Wessex and Register displays including E30 E21 and Alpina all members are welcome as we also plan some hospitality and a grid walk is planned with the BMWs on track - we also want to have many photos to record this historical days racing - we hope to see many members there - more info on the clubs Website and Facebook pages - BMW Car Club Racing
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The 2nd April 2018 is a Monday, is this the correct day?
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Bank Holiday Weekend - Easter Monday yes so will be a busy weekend for many but an early chance to get your car out for a meeting
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Please for clarification, who is eligible for the BMWCC Race? One assumes it is people with a car modified to meet track race regulations? I don't think I have ever met any members with these cars, so I am wondering where they appear from. Clearly if one has this type of vehicle I can see some benefit, if one likes to watch these cars then I can see that as well. But I am not too sure how this fits in with other club members.
How much per year would it cost for someone who has never owned one of these vehicles and is not able to fix it, to buy one and have it maintained?
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Lots of questions Norman but we do have members I the club with these cars and many others who enjoy watching so is benefit to the club membership

If you can come along you can meet some of the drivers and take part in the grid walk etc

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Lots of questions, so few answers? I suspect that this hobby is not cheap and therefore perhaps only for those with deep pockets or the technical ability to make the vehicle themselves and finance travelling around from track to track.

I did speak with someone who provides a service whereby the driver who is permitted just turns up and they do all the rest, for not an inconsiderable fee.

If a number of people in the Wessex decide to go I might consider joining them, I have been to Castle Coombe a fair number of times previously, it might be interesting to get the facts first hand.
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Norman - most of the information you may need is on the club links under the Motorsport section - all the dates etc - also on the Facebook page BMWCCR you will find all the updated information - The idea of the BMW Car Club having its own race meetings is to reduce costs and make it more accessable to those wanting to enter the sport - for example the BMWcup cars have been built for c.£5k and the parts are controlled and restricted to prevent 'cheque book' racing - however if people want to spend money they can but the club regulations that would be able to view in detail on the club page has Power to Weight limits to prevent those with money building expensive engines and buying light panels etc.  Most people will understand this - and this thread is designed to be an invite to the regions and registers to come and spectate and display their cars - so its an added Regional Display and also then these members can also assist with hospitality.  Therefore Wessex and Western areas have been invited to coordinate this as one of their events.  If this does not help you then call me - as your posts may confuse people - we want to involve people whether want to race, help organise the regional displays as the races move round the country, help in whatever way they want and come to spectate.  Maybe see you at Castle Combe or Silverstone which is the 2nd round.  Cheers Neil
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Thank you for your reply, I now understand. I did consult with others who seemed equally unaware. I personally would not have looked under motorsport on the Club website which I why I asked the question.

At least for all those who have also not looked you have explained, which is all I wanted to know. It sounds interesting enough, but as it is a Bank Holiday personally I would need to decide what else is going on that weekend. Hope it all goes well for you.

I suspect more likely at Silverstone as I am a season ticket holder there and entry will be included, no extra costs to pay.

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Norman - we are planning to sort FREE tickets for club members who are assisting and putting on a display to promote the club - the first race is my first concern - as we want to get some photos to record the day also
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Good, any initiative to get people to interact has to be welcomed, pity members cant get a few laps in their own cars around the track even if it was for 20 minutes, might be an incentive. I talk to people who don't want a whole track day just a bit of a controlled faster drive in safe circumstances within the Db levels.
If they get the fever, then one or two might progress and wish to invest in your type of events?

I will have a further chat with my colleagues from Wessex and ALPINA and get their thoughts, it is all much clearer now.

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Car Clubs and racing are intertwined
Clubs as we know them today were spawned by enthusiastic owners wanting to race each other.
Whether you are a clubman novice or a world champion you still need to be a member of an MSA affiliated club to race here in the UK.
When I first joined, members of this club used to race for 'The BMW Car Club Championship' and were very successful.
Sadly, for reasons long forgotten our racing brothers became distant from the main club and formed their own club.
I think it's great that Neil is resurrecting the idea and bringing BMW racing back home where it belongs.

As a Club we should all try and support the racers if we can, the northern regions are planning club stands at our local rounds up here and I'm sure the spectacle will be worth the effort

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Nick, your sentiments are admirable. I am all for supporting the Club and it's activities where finances permit. However, if people want to get into this racing at the entry level they will probably need to know, as a minimum, what it would cost them?

I think Neil, suggested it could be done for 5k? Is that plus the cost of the donor car, then I guess you need a trailer, parts, mechanic, fuel, a licence and so on. Then the cost of getting to the track and some accommodation, no disrespect this is a long way from the few pounds membership fee?

I have seen this type of racing at Silverstone and apart from those participating in terms of spectators it is fairly minimal, in terms of motorsport is this not a fairly minority sport?

If there are people interested and the Club does not lose any money then seems fine to me, my worry is that this will seem a fairly low number appeal, I hope not, but it very difficult especially on bank holidays when there are soo many attractions for people to spend disposal income.

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Yep £5k if you build it yourself using a £1000 325ti as your base car.
Van & trailer, nothing fancy, another £5000
Race licence & ARDS test £500 (or so) - look for a 'go racing' pack from the MSA
Race entries vary but you should budget £500 per weekend.
Transport, fuel, accommodation - no more expensive than following any other hobby that takes you up and down the country - in fact you kip in the van and eat in the paddock.

Minority sport? I'll pretend I didn't hear that - BTCC is full of drivers that started out in series' like ours. 

You don't need to worry about funding - there will be no impact on club funds.
Spectator wise, yes it will only appeal to some of us but you can bet there will be a good number of BMW fans at any given race you care to mention.. lets try and gather them and get them on our stand or in our display area.

I don't think for one minute we will recruit one racing driver from this forum, that's not the idea. 
But I do know we can put on a good show for our regular members to come and enjoy

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Nick, thanks for the realistic reply. It is not a cheap hobby then? If one goes to Silverstone when this racing is on it is possible to go into the pits and walk around all the cars there appears to be no restriction. I think to encourage regular club members to go along there has to be some added attraction or incentive, the prospect of a free entry is a reasonable one, but perhaps it needs to something more than that?

Sounds like a young persons game, I don't even do camping let alone sleeping in a van, also you need to be technically aware, which I am not, keys in and point the right direction at 180 mph plus on the autobahn that was thrill enough for me, whilst in a comfort seat with the climate control on! Sad, but true.

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Look at it as an investment in fun.
Factor in that everything you buy can be re-sold.
A used van and trailer will still be worth the £5k you paid in a couple of years.
The car you built for £5k will sell for a profit.
You can even sell your suit, gloves and helmet.
So you are left with consuambles and non refundable expenses as a negative,
But like the advert says, memories of a good adventure.. priceless.

You mention mingling in the pits and paddock - that's standard, we can always do that. 
Some teams may shoo you away but I know you will be welcome to get close and personal with any of the BMW teams.
Other than a free entry to see a full programme of exciting racing, club stand/display area, meet and greet with the teams I don't know what else we need to do to attract you.
You're either into it or you aren't.


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Nick, it's really not about me, I am not important. I try to ask probing questions, a bit like a journalist, to get to the heart of the matter. This means, I hope, then when members or potential members see these events posted they know exactly what it is all about? The nuts,bolts and washers shall we say?

It does not mean it is wrong, has no merit, will not attract anyone, is of no interest or has no value. It does mean, like many thinks it may have appeal, which is limited by people's spare time, knowledge, ability and finances. What I do find interesting is that some complain about the cost of membership and at the other end of the scale we have those who can do this, it is indeed a very broad church this club.
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