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    Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 7:19am
Hi All,

We have a new Facebook group for the South Yorkshire and North East Derbyshire local meet group. 


This is in addition to the Facebook page 

The Facebook page is intended to give out notifications of events, etc with the group being available to be more interactive, post pictures of your car and projects, ask for help or post how-to details for jobs you may have done. 

Please do take a look at the Facebook page and group and sign-up :-) 

Don't forget that we have the pub meet every 2nd Monday of the month from 7.30pm at The Elm Tree in Heath, just off J29 M1. All welcome. Great little pub with a restaurant and bar food available. 
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Originally posted by richardrixham richardrixham wrote:

The Facebook page is intended to give out notifications of events, etc with the group being available to be more interactive, post pictures of your car and projects, ask for help or post how-to details for jobs you may have done. 

Does this mean that notifications of events is now limited to only those few who choose to use FB?

Is there no way to automatically duplicate what appears on the closed FB group with this forum?
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Hi,
This is an additional method of posting out information about events, etc to people. Not everyone uses the forum just as not everyone uses Facebook. Events will still be posted in this forum :-) 

Please also note that this page and group are for the south yorkshire and north east derbyshire pub meet and not a voice for the Eastern region as a whole. 


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As previous years events for 2020 will be posted on the following
BMWCC Forum Eastern section (This media)
BMWCC Diary dates
Straight Six where time limits allow
Via E mail to Eastern members
Announcements at Club meets
Facebook both BMWCC S Yorkshire & N Derbyshire and BMWCC Yorkshire Pages.
If anyone knows of anywhere else where it would be beneficial to post please let me know
Hopefully i have got it covered but open to suggestions


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Many thanks Richard for the time and effort you are putting into making the south of the region as active as our northern friends. Hope to get to the Elm Tree starting in the new year.
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no point.

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Hear Hear, well said N-DogClap
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Thanks for the confirmation Paul
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Originally posted by N-Dog N-Dog wrote:

Let it PLEASE be noted, by regional chairs and branch reps, that a good many of us are not on facebook, and rely on this forum - as paid up members - for their information on upcoming events.
I understand that many folk DO use fb, but many do not, so can we please ensure that all info posted on fb is duplicated / replicated on here.
Originally posted by N-Dog N-Dog wrote:

Please, PLEASE Chairs and Reps - can we have all relevant information posted on here? If they lack the time to do so, could this task be given to someone else within the local area nucleus?
(Dons tin hat and awaits flak from the "they do such a sterling job" brigade....)

Although there has been many FB pages set up  with the BMW Car Club name in the title, I don't think these have been officially sanctioned by the CC itself i.e. they are unofficial?

In which case any meets organized through unofficial social media e.g. FB, shouldn't really be called CC meets and as such may not be covered by the CC insurance etc. and are at the FB poster's risk?

I haven't seen the latest Chair/Captains guidelines ~ perhaps one of the Captains could confirm these?
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To all, this was a post to notify local members of the Eastern Region about the Facebook page for our local monthly pub meet. It is an additional space for the local area members to be able to interact and not meant to take away from the forum. The Facebook page and group are private and organised by the local members for the local members. These Facebook items are not taking anything away from the forum or the region and I would thank you not to try turning this post in to something it is not. If you have an issue with your region then I suggest you take it up with your region. If you are interested in liking the Facebook page and joining the group for the South Yorkshire and North East Derbyshire area then please do and you will be most welcome. 
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no point.

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Originally posted by N-Dog N-Dog wrote:

This is a hot topic at the moment, and a thread on the subject which turned a little unpleasant was removed from the forum a day or two ago. Let it PLEASE be noted, by regional chairs and branch reps, that a good many of us are not on facebook, and rely on this forum - as paid up members - for their information on upcoming events.
I understand that many folk DO use fb, but many do not, so can we please ensure that all info posted on fb is duplicated / replicated on here. Not wanting to be too critical too soon (I only joined in September), but as of today - 24th December - I note that the branch rep for my area - Norfolk - hasn't posted a single post on here since 21st October, nor apparently read a PM I sent.
And I'm sure pub meets or whatever must have happened since then.
Please, PLEASE Chairs and Reps - can we have all relevant information posted on here? If they lack the time to do so, could this task be given to someone else within the local area nucleus?
(Dons tin hat and awaits flak from the "they do such a sterling job" brigade....)

If there is an issue with the Norfolk region maybe that's most appropriate place to post your comment and concerns.

As for the Eastern region, I think you will find that all CC events are published on this forum as well as other social media to make sure as many people as possible get to see them.
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no point.

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There are a few interesting issues here. Facebook, this simple truth is that anyone can create a FB page within minutes. They can entitle it whatever they like. Many of the so called official BMW CC GB FB pages appear to have been set up by individual members. That means those members can control the content, they can decline anyone who wishes to join, the can block anyone or kick anyone out. All of that with not deferring to the BMW Car Club GB. Unless the Club office or other officials have administrative rights the Club can do nothing about what is posted in it's regional name.

The other thing some people do not like about the BMW CC GB own official FB site is that they cannot post pictures of their own vehicles, it all has to be sanctioned by the administrator. That is not how FB works, I know I have a very active page with 800 car owning registered members.

I was also interested in the suggestion that some people would like to drive into London. However, do check if a congestion charge applies and also if you comply to the ULEZ (Ultra low emission zone) regulations. I know my 1999 petrol BMW does not comply for example. No one would want a good idea spoilt by fines in the post.
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Very unfortunate that this topic is on this regions page.
But you have taken the very words out of my mouth

[QUOTE=Norrie]There are a few interesting issues here. Facebook, this simple truth is that anyone can create a FB page within minutes. They can entitle it whatever they like. Many of the so called official BMW CC GB FB pages appear to have been set up by individual members. That means those members can control the content, they can decline anyone who wishes to join, the can block anyone or kick anyone out. All of that with not deferring to the BMW Car Club GB. Unless the Club office or other officials have administrative rights the Club can do nothing about what is posted in it's regional name.

If a FaceBook page is set up by anyone titling BMW Car Club GB  !!!!!!!!!!!!
surely there should be a independent ( here we go again ) moderator checking the content, and removing it just like the forum.
Surely the BMW Car Club GB should  enforce the same rules as BMW GB have in not allowing anyone to use the BMW Car Club GB logo, ( getting back to Passion for Club & Region ) where the BMW Club North East, web site was under threat for displaying such logo.
At the end of the day the BMW Car Club GB are the only ones privileged to do so.

Once again sorry it's on this section 




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Michael. The truth is the Club cannot control FB pages, only those its sets up itself. For example my ALPINA Group (which is not part of the BMWCCGB and does not pretent to be) cannot be controlled by any other than the admins I have allowed. Sytner, nor ALPINA Germany or BMW or BMW CCGB can do anything about it.

The only way any might take action for FB postings is to complain to FB and we see the are reluctant to remove subjects which generally most find untasteful or offensive.

This forum can be moderated, which is sensible, but common sense should prevail.
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I am suprised at how much anti Facebook sentiment there is on this forum, the original poster, Richard is trying to make the South Yorkshire and Peak District part of the Eastern region a more active and the majority of responses on here are giving nothing but grief about the use of Facebook.

I know the regional Chairman uses this forum and I'm almost certain that nothing will have been done on Facebook without him being consulted. As he is the elected chair of the region, that makes him in my eyes, an official of the club. Therefore the "club" are most probably aware!

Love Facebook or hate it, it's here to stay and it's a good way of getting information to people. Most forums are dying, this one hasn't been overly active in the 18 months I've been a member and not everyone likes or understands forums.

My wife, who is a member of the club, doesn't like forums and finds all her information about club events from the regional Facebook pages. Are you saying that she should be excluded because she doesn't like forums? Or should we just go back 25 years where you have to rely on the events page in a magazine once a month?

You complain that non members are benefiting from joining Facebook groups without being members of the club. What benefits do they gain? They don't get the monthly magazine, they don't get to attend visits to the VDC's or Drive Days that we've been on as members.

We were not members when we attended our first event, which we saw on Facebook, but we were allowed to park with other BMW's and as a result of speaking to those people we joined the club. I also know of other people who have followed a similar path to joining the club.

The comment about meets not being sanctioned by the club and not being covered by CC Insurance. What cover is offered at an official CC meet then? If my car was to have been damaged at the Nationals at Gaydon in July, would I have just had to nip into the tent and ask for a claim form and the club's insurance would have covered any repair? I doubt it!
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If you car was damaged at the Gaydon event you would find the Clubs Public Liability Insurance would not cover your vehicle or indeed any other vehicle unless you could prove that the Club was negligent. It is not a vehicle damage cover.
Therefore, if Billy reversed into you parked car and left without leaving a note you would have to claim on your own insurance. If Billy said sorry you would have to claim on your own insurance and hold him liable.

If the BMW CC marquee collapsed and fell on your car, you might hold the Club liable, who would in no doubt tell you that the marquee erectors we liable.

I think that Public Liability Insurance is there to protect the Club against members of the public and claims of litigation and not to safe guard members as such.

I had this conversation with the Chairman after the unfortunate incidents in 2019 at Silverstone. Indeed some car insurers request that if vehicles are displayed to the Public that they are informed in advance.
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All I can say is some members won’t us FB others don’t use the forum, so well done the this region for using both for event info. 
All the best for 2020


Edited by Michael Barron - 31 Dec 2019 at 2:13pm
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Gentlemen
I speak here wearing my event organisers hat as I have been an organiser for the BMW Car Club for well over 25 years.
I promote my events via the club magazine, club forum and social media.
I no longer use e-mail, telephone or text because the Club are sensitive about infringing GDPR regulations.

I love Facebook, its the best tool I have ever had at my disposal.
When it comes down to money and I need to cover the expense of running a trackday Facebook wins hands down. 
Without social media there would have been several events that would have been severly under-subscribed if I had just relied on Magazine and Forum resulting in heavy financial losses for the Club.

Facebook also comes into its own when you are promoting something new. The breakfast meet for example.
The event was debated, launched and publicised in less than 2 weeks from my initial visit in late September. 
The first meet in October saw over 50 cars attending purely down to the facebook flyer I had shared.
It is now a regular item in the calendar section of the club mag and also on the forum.. but there is no way we could have got that one off the ground so successfully in such a short time had it not been for social media.

Did I mention last minute changes.. like the flash flood that closed down the Barnes Wallis just a few hours prior to club night?.. try getting that one on the Forum.. our Facebook regulars were diverted to another venue in Howden and around 15 of them got the message and made it through.

As Richard and Paul have both said, we try hard to get the message out there for all to see.


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The problem with Social media is that is not limited. There are so many platforms. This ongoing problem is one whereby in my Industry companies are employing full time teams to keep their name "out there" and ahead of the competition. Indeed some people of a certain age will not even use forums or FB, we also assume that people have a mobile phone,look at every message. I get around 200 emails per day and have to admit when i cant be bothered I flip though those that take priority on the day.

A better way is text message alert. If people agree then receive a message alerting them to an event, then they can look at the location the details are posted and not problem. Social media is an ever expanding opportunity and it is a challenge for all Clubs to stay ahead of the game whilst still informing some who are not media driven to what is happening.
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