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    Posted: 21 Nov 2013 at 9:05am
I came across a tweet showing a destroyed BMW in the snow and I wondered if the factory fit run flats were any good during winter weather?

Here is the tweet: https://twitter.com/Totobrose/status/403100688311267328.
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In the winter...

- runflat winter tyres are better than runflat summer tyres

- non-runflat winter tyres are better than non-runflat summer tyres

However, in this case, maybe it was driver error for going into the peak district in winter with summer tyres on and not driving with enough care?
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Originally posted by Tony Tony wrote:

In the winter...

- runflat winter tyres are better than runflat summer tyres

- non-runflat winter tyres are better than non-runflat summer tyres
 
Understood, but if I leave my [I assume] summer runflats on for winter driving how do they compare with summer non-runflats ?
 
I have never had two sets of wheels/tyres, I have always used the same [summer] set for the whole year - and I even managed to cope with miles of sheet black ice in the M3! Clap [just, and the trip took ages]
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul Rice Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov 2013 at 2:24pm
Had run flats on my 2008 E90 only got stuck once at work on un salted car park in a 18" drift so my fault other than that out performed previous cars including X Type jaguar and Qashqui both had difficulties where the rear wheel drive BM with its electronic wizardry performed well.
 
 
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I would not imagine that runflats, as such, would be any better or worse than normal tyres - the important thing is the type of tread. 

Most modern tyres are optimised for low noise  - this is most important to the manufacturer, as in our eco-sensiotive age vehicle noise is now an important factor.  However, this results in tyres which lack any proper lateral tread pattern, relying instead on wide circumferencial grooves which have the ability to both reduce noise and shift water at motorway speeds. In other words, they are a specialised tyre for 'normal' purposes, and in mud or snow they are hopeless - just look at the chaos which covers most UK motorways every winter!

In the UK's blame culture, such problems are of course put down to the Highways Agency and/or the local authority failing to dump loads of salt and grit all over the roads, but the real cause is that of using tyres which are unsuitable for the conditions - not to mention a lack of technique in many cases.

In civilised countries, such as Germany and Sweden, drivers do not try to use such tyres during winter, being often required by law to fit winter or all-season tyres durng a specified period.

The only answer is to do likewise, and either have a set of 'winter' wheels and tyres, or fit  tyres which are suitable for anything the UK weather can throw at you.  Of course, this would cost money, and also result in tyres which lack a fashionable low-profile appearance, but the alternative of trusting to luck by attempting to drive in snow on a tyre such as Michelin Pilot SuperSport is approaching sheer stupidity.  When one thinks that a set of used wheels and winter tyres would only cost about £500 (not from a BMW dealer!) it is a lot cheaper than damaging a good car, suffering the general inconvenience, and paying the associated increased insurance premium afterwards.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote thepits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov 2013 at 6:11pm
Originally posted by Mike Fishwick Mike Fishwick wrote:

....The only answer is to ... have a set of 'winter' wheels and tyres, or fit  tyres which are suitable for anything the UK weather can throw at you.... 
Thanks Mike, but to be honest if you are 'darn souf" like me we should be able to cope - I have so far.
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Bear in mind that winter tyres come into their own below 7C so if you have lots of days where the temperature to those levels the winter set up is beneficial.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Norrie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov 2013 at 8:51pm
Ok winter wonder landers where actually can I buy front 245/35 R21 and rear 285/30 R21 winter tyres please? It took me 6 months to get a full set on summer tyres and that was special order from Michelin.
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OH even better where do I get a set of 21 inch wheels for my winter tyres!
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Its not uncommon to run narrower tyres on smaller rims for winter use.
Have a look in your handbook Norman and you'll see what Alpina suggest for your car..
 
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More expensive option, by a cheap 4x4 and leave the crown jewels in the garage.
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Originally posted by Mike Fishwick Mike Fishwick wrote:

In civilised countries, such as Germany and Sweden,.....
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Originally posted by Phil Rosenbloom Phil Rosenbloom wrote:

Bear in mind that winter tyres come into their own below 7C...
And when was the last time that happened down south?? Confused
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Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

Originally posted by Phil Rosenbloom Phil Rosenbloom wrote:

Bear in mind that winter tyres come into their own below 7C...
And when was the last time that happened down south?? Confused
 
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