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    Posted: 09 Sep 2009 at 3:09pm
I thought some of you may find this of interest.

General Remarks on Chlorinated Additives.

A number of ‘add-on’ additives intended to improve the performance of commercially available automotive lubricants have been marketed in recent years, under such names as ‘Xxtralube ZX-1’, ‘Metol FX-1’, ‘PPL Anti-Friction’ and ‘Activ-8’.All such products share the following characteristics with ‘X-1R Friction Eliminator’:-

They all contain chlorinated paraffin ‘exteme pressure’(EP) compounds first used in the 1930s in heavily-loaded industrial gearboxes, and in some automotive transmission applications, mainly hypoid gears.

They all corrode copper-based alloys at moderate temperatures, easily exceeded in all engine, and most transmission applications.This problem was recognised in the 1930s, and chlorinated compounds were never used in transmissions with bronze bearings or gears. No responsible manufacturer ever suggested using them in engines where their increasing activity at high temperatures could lead to piston ring corrosion and bore glazing. (For the same reason, modern ‘hypoid’ additives are not used in engines, even though they are much safer than any chlorinated additive.)

X-1R Friction Eliminator and its clones are based upon very outdated technology, which was abandoned by responsible lubricant manufacturers for automotive transmission uses in the 1950s. Chlorinated compounds still find applications in metal working, but their use is on the decline because of health and safety considerations.

When burnt, chlorinated paraffins produce corrosive hydrochloric acid, and organo-chlorine compounds including the highly poisonous phosgene gas. Apart from these corrosion and health hazards, with petrol engines the deactivation of exhaust catalysts is also a problem.

Unfortunately, these additives give spectacular results in simple EP test machines such as the ‘Falex’. As a marketing ploy, a demonstration of this type looks impressive to those not aquainted with the above facts. Also attractive is the low cost of chlorinated compounds, allowing profits of several thousand percent to be made.

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I've seen this kind of additive sold at classic shows, for use in engines!

There are also plenty of good reasons not to use PTFE-based oil dditives, but we never hear anything about graphite and molybdenum disulphide additives.  I remember that Rocol sold a moly additive for large diesel engines, called Rocol ASO (anti-scuffing oil). 

After recently buying a new lawn mower with a Briggs and Stratton engine, on changing the oil I found that a dark moly type additive had been added to the intial fill.
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Does this include additives claiming to contain PTFE?
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Or the newest ones containing  boron particles (search for "Nanoboron" or "BORPower"?

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Yes.

Additives are a real American thing, They love em but they just mess with a perfectly good oil and this has been proven time and time again.
 
If these things were any good, the greedy oil companies would be all over them.
 
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PTFE-based additives are terrible things!  Even the du Pont Corporation, who make the stuff, only sell it to Slick 50 etc because after an expensive court case they have to!

There is a lot of evidence to show that PTFE is worthless at best, and harmful at worst, but I have never seen any report on Moly additives, which seem a peculiarly British product.
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Even Slick50 got in trouble.
 
This is the transcript of an AA article published in Motor May 10th 1986.

The widely-advertised oil additive Slick 50 has been soundly slammed by the AA’s Technical Services.

The AA claim that their tests show Slick 50 provides no fuel savings when it is added to a cars engine oil – and there is no evidence of any other benefits under normal operating conditions.

The AA have made no press or public announcement of their report, but have produced a leaflet for the benefit of any paid-up members who apply for one. An AA member on Motor’s staff applied for a report in the normal way.

The report states that whilst there is no evidence the product will do harm to the engine, one good point is that most of it will be very rapidly removed by the oil filter. "At about £12 per treatment", say the AA, "it is a very expensive way of coating your oil filter element".

The AA performed tests by taking three identical cars and carefully running them in, splitting the driving equally among their test drivers. Oils were changed at 1500 miles, the cars were run a further 500 miles to stabilise the oils’ viscosity, the cars’ tuning was carefully checked and steady speed fuel consumptions and power outputs were measured.

The report says: "The procedure is so sensitive that, for instance, leaving the headlamps of the car switched on will make a nonsense of the results due to the extra drag of the charging system".

Engineers added Slick 50 to two of the cars in the recommended way at 3000 miles.

After a further 2000 miles, further dynamometer tests were carried out. "One car should show the sort of gradual change expected of a car in good condition" says the report, "whereas two should show a noticeable improvement . Here came the big disappointment. After our several months of careful testwork, we could not distinguish any difference between the three cars."

The AA claimed that all cars were performing well, but performance was remarkably consistent , within a few percent.

The AA say that a detailed examination of the claims made for the product will explain what happens when Slick 50 is added to an engine. Of one gallon of petrol burnt in an engine, says the report, some 60 percent of the energy will be lost as heat from the exhaust and cooling system. That leaves 40 percent and some 25 percent is used to drive the car and its accessories. The remaining 15 percent goes to losses such as pumping air into the engine (6 percent) and some 9 percent is lost as engine friction. Of that 9 percent, 6 percent is lost in churning the oil and only 3 percent of the total input goes into the sort of "boundary" friction that a solid lubricant could affect. "If tests of Slick 50 did show a 16 percent decrease in this friction, as claimed in current advertisements", says the report, "it would only affect the car’s overall consumption by a half of one percent".

The AA also claim that their tests show there is no evidence that Slick 50 produces a surface layer on the engine wearing surfaces, let alone one that could last for 100,000 miles.

On questioning John Rowland, Silkolene/Fuchs Chief R&D Chemist for 40 years about additives, I received the following reply.

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The AA report encapsulates my opinion of Slick 50, it is an expensive way of blocking your oil filter, Believe me, it does precisely nothing beneficial. It has been proven time and time again that it just blocks oil filters and oilways.

For all other "magic" additives, most are based on 1930’s technology corrosive chlorinated paraffins. (synthetic anti-seize compounds originally made 70 years ago. They are cheap, toxic and corrosive. We use them in certain types of cutting oil!) Do not touch them with somebody else’s bargepole!

UCL’s on the other hand can be useful. After all, 2-strokes in effect run entirely on UCL. So……the best UCL’s are 2-stroke oils! I always tell people to use a decent 2-stroke at 0.5% or 1%, because they are superior to the UCL’s sold as UCL’s if you get my drift. A litre of Super 2 Injector or Comp-2 will be better than a cupful of cheap mineral oil dyed red (no prizes for guessing the name) any day.

Vee engines (twins, to V8’s) benefit from UCL’s because the upper walls of the RH cylinder bank, looking from the front, always run dry. Think about it!

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So, there you have it.

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A great article coming soon in the club magazine on oil additives from MF...

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Cool, any chance of posting it on the forum?

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Thanks for the info on the AA test - I've just sent a revised version to Jeff, who will probably prefer not to post it here until after publication in the magazine.
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We've oil chemists test reports on loads of addatives including "XR1", and "Restore" not read one yet that is any good let alone a substitute for a decent oil.
 
Don't waste your hard earned cash!
 
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Even if there was a good additive, it could only function when the lubricant film has broken down, and metal-to-metal contact takes place.  That's why zinc used to be added to oil - but in these environmentally-concious days its use has been reduced drastically, starting from oil classification SJ, in order to reduce damage to catalytic converters.
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Originally posted by Mike Fishwick Mike Fishwick wrote:

Even if there was a good additive, it could only function when the lubricant film has broken down, and metal-to-metal contact takes place.  That's why zinc used to be added to oil - but in these environmentally-concious days its use has been reduced drastically, starting from oil classification SJ, in order to reduce damage to catalytic converters.
 
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Indeed but zinc has been replaced with other addatives. Oils protect no less on an SM spec than an SJ spec.
 
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I remember seeing an article in the VMCC mag to the effect that in the absence of zinc some old engines may suffer cam wear, and advice to seek out Sg/SH oils - is this no longer correct?
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If it aint!!!  broke--dont fixit-except the marketing reinvention dept---have to justify their budget
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Not totally, for sure on older engines (20 years) then SM may not be quite as good but if the oil carries ACEA specs it's not such a problem as anti-wear is still high on the priority list.
 
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