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    Posted: 14 May 2016 at 5:14pm
New member here so pardon if this question has been asked before.  I did check five pages back in this forum, and didn't find the answer.

I have enjoyed 2000 miles in my new 340i, and I hope to enjoy many more.  The instrument cluster tells me the first service is at 18000 miles, which no doubt will include an oil and microfilter service.  However, other people claims that oils - no matter how good they are - will degrade past 10000 miles, so it is recommended to have it done around that mileage.  Can anyone shed some light on the best/correct approach here?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote NickDE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2016 at 6:34pm
I'm not an automotive engineer etc. However - depends on your plan for the car. 
If you plan to run it for a few years, just do what is needed to be able to sell it with a full service history which will increase resale value. 
If it is a lease car, do the bare minimum to meet terms of the lease. 
If you value the car and want to keep it long term, change the oil every year/10000 miles (whichever comes first). And use a good quality oil.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Mike Fishwick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2016 at 6:51pm
Yes - if yu have any real nterest in the car, look at an oil change every year/10,000 mies at the outside, irrespective of the Service Indicator.

Also - transimssion oils every 3-5 years, power steering ouil every five years, battery levels every year, and brake fluid every year or two - changed by bleeding through the caliper nipples, rather than just sucking out the reservoir, and not forgetting the clutch.

Also remember to remove the brake calipers and grease the areas on which the pads slide.

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Thank you for the replies gentlemen.  I'm buying the car rather than leasing it, so I have a long term interesting in keeping in tip top shape.  I purchased a service pack covering 5 years or 50000 miles, and I assume this will only honour services according to the Service Indicator, so any oil and filter services in between will have to be extra?  How will the additional oil change affect the readout of the Service indicator?  Does it assess the condition of other components that will need servicing at approximately 18000 miles, or is the condition of the oil the driving factor?

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Originally posted by jenshb jenshb wrote:

How will the additional oil change affect the readout of the Service indicator?  Does it assess the condition of other components that will need servicing at approximately 18000 miles, or is the condition of the oil the driving factor?

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It won't if you ask the person doing the change not to reset the indicator, the car has no idea that you have changed the oil, it just knows how many miles/hours you have been driving for and at what loads.
I changed the oil on my M135i twice before the service indicator asked me to (9000 miles each), I just asked my local indy to leave the service indicator record alone.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Mike Fishwick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2016 at 8:23am
The Service Indicator only looks at the total amount of fuel used - it cannot asess the condition of the oil!

Just change the oil and forget about the SI readout.
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Thanks again gents.  Interesting...when reading the instruction manual I get the impression that the oil change intervals are condition based - i.e. sensors are assessing the condition of the oil, and therefore flags when the oil needs to be changed.  From what I'm reading here, that isn't the case.

When I bought my first BMW (a 2013 320i xDrive) from a BMW dealer, it had done 6700 miles.  I asked the salesman for an oil change*, and his reply was that it would "upset the service intervals".  I guess it was more a case of "we don't want to pay for it".

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*My previous car was a 1st generation Ford Focus 1.8 TDCi, bought from new, and after 6000 miles I had an oil change after gently breaking it in.  It never used any oil between services for the 107000 miles I had it.  Maybe I'm superstitious, but I'd like to think that taking care of the car paid dividends in less problems, and it never let me down with unexpected problems.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Mike Fishwick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2016 at 11:18am
The logic is that cold running and high speeds will use more fuel, therefore it is an easy guess that the oil will have more contaminents, and need changing more ofte.  Lots of medium-speed use will use less fuel, and therefore keep the oil in better condition. 

Oil condition is therefore closely related to type of use and overall fuel consumption.  This is why the 'Miles to next service' figure can actually increase while the car is being driven, if the fuel consumption is low.

Anyway - so many modern BMW cars use lots of engine oil, so if this is the case with yours, you will be changing the oil quite often! 

Of course, dealers like to claim that the engine is 'Designed to burn oil, Sir,' and quote BMW's ridiculous 'acceptable' level of consumption, which is about 300 miles per pint.
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What?  300 miles per pint????  I drove my old one for 19000 miles, about 8000 miles of those were after a service, and the oil level was still full.  Even on my current one, the oil level still shows full after 2000 miles...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rpennington Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2016 at 3:27pm
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I own a E46 323i reg 1999 done 124,00 miles. When I bought this car it had about 54,000 on the clock. I have had this car now for about 10 years,it only gets serviced when the cars service counter tells me,although I have it done about 1,000 miles or so before hand. This is also my only car so is in daily use & I have never had to put oil in it & I do check it weekly & the oil level has never moved.

So what does that say about BMW cars & their oil usage!!!!

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My Z3 has covered 130,000 miles and does not burn oil, but talk to anyone with an N54-engined car, and you will hear tales of horrendous consumption, which dealers discount as 'Acceptable' when compared to BMW's level of about 350 mpp.  This may be due to the current fad for using synthetic oil from new, so extending the running-in period, but allowing the first service to be a year after purchase.

It seems to be not uncommon for the oil level sensor (remember there is no dipstick - in the name of progress!) to call for a litre of oil very frequently.  This could be the reason BMW sell an oil-top-up kit, with a litre of oil in a pretty little zip-up bag.

Our Golf TDI has covered 213,000 miles, and does not burn any oil either!
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Not just the oil - the oil filter will be in a terrible state after 18'000. I would be having an oil and filter change at 9000 miles at a specialist as quite often BMW dealers just won't do it. 
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Changing an oil filter on a modern BMW is so easy that there is no excuse for not doing it.  I always remove the fuel pump fuses and crank the engine in short bursts until the oil pressure lamp goes out, in order to fill the filter bowl before starting the engine.  This avoids running the engine with no oil supply to the bearings.
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I agree with the comments above, 18,000 is too much even with modern oils that are way better than they used to be.  If you have any intention of keeping the car beyond it's warranty period, get the oil changed more often.  

Interestingly the interval specified for my UK spec car is 24 months or 30,000km.  If I was to buy the same car in the USA the interval is 12 months or 15,000km. If I was to buy the car in Latin America the interval is 8 months or 12,000km.  

I have a service pack, so I don't pay for scheduled oil changes and services, however I always have an extra oil and filter change done between the scheduled changes at about 9,000 miles.  This usually causes confusion and the dealer invariably rings me up to tell me the 'good news' that the car does not need a service!

Oil usage is another of my pet hates!  Lots of people say that modern cars use a lot of oil and that's how they are designed.  The oil they use is very thin blah blah, sorry, I just don't agree!  Many new cars use oil because they are not run in correctly.  People think that they should be very careful with their new engine and drive using minimum engine revs for the first 1,000 miles or so.  This is what causes high oil consumption for the rest of the life of the engine!  The first 50-100 miles are critical, it's important that the piston rings bed into the cylinder walls before a layer of varnish forms.  If varnish forms and the rings are not bedded in then oil will get past the rings and be burnt.  The way to bed in the rings is to vary the revs, regularly up to the maximum permissible revs under partial load during the running in period and to use as much engine breaking as possible.  I followed this procedure in my M6, which has an engine that's often reported as using a lot of oil, between my 9,000 mile oil changes it uses no oil at all, the level remains at maximum on the electronic dip stick until it is changed.
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The use of synthetic oil from new is another reason for high oil consumption, as it prevents rapid bedding-in of the piston rings, as is the lack of engine running by BMW after they are built - apart from M Power types.  See my bit on oil changes in the 'How To' forum area.

A lot of today's drivers have the idea that engine braking is somehow bad for the transmission, which is probably based on the pathetic idea that 'Gears are for going, and brakes are for stopping,' which is fostered by a lot of driving instructors.  This is why we see a lot of people riding the brakes down long hills, rather than simply changing down a gear or two.

On the subject of driving instructors, they also teach pupils fo always park in neutral, which can cause a lot of modern cars with aluminiumm rear calipers to run away while parked when the calipers have cooled down - the MINI is just one such example.   I think the reason for this idea - which probably comes from the DSA - is that it means the car can be easily towed away!  When parked in gear of course, both sets of wheels are locked . . .

On the subject of silly ideas, another is fostered by the IAM book 'Advanced Driving,', which states that one must never use the brake and throttle at the same time.  When we did the IAM course we were lucky in having an ex-police observer, who worked by the police 'Roadcraft' manual, so did not object to our usual heel and toe-type style.  'Roadcraft' states that such use is a skill worth developing . . .


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Every 6 to 8000 (or 6 months) miles for oil change , oil filter a must but also good idea to change fuel filter and perhaps air filter. If a business car then they will  generally follow manuf. guide! If you read the motoring experts they recommend much shorter intervals for an oil change. As MF says he it is fairly easy DIY.
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