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Topic: New French Motoring LawsPosted: 05 Mar 2012 at 5:16pm |
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(I'll try to update this as I hear of anything)
I realise that most Brits have no regard for the laws of any other country - particularly France - but there are a few which you may - or not - take notice of! Basic Requirements: Warning triangles are compulsory - a minimum of one per car. Headlamps to be adjusted or masked for driving on the right. Carry your driving licence, insurance certificate, MoT certificate, and registration document. Remember that if you cannot show your driving licence - you will not be permitted to drive in France. Photocopies are not acceptable. Roadside checks for 'Your papers please' are not uncommon - expect the Gendarmes to loiter near any handy bar! A fluorescent waistcoat or jacket must be carried for each potential passenger - in other words the number of seat belts - one of which must be inside the car for donning before getting out. Being on the hard shoulder or slip roads (including those in service areas) while not wearing one is punishable by a 135 Euro fine. Remember that on an autoroute of dual carraigeway, in conditions of reduced visibility, such as rain where you need to use the wipers continuously, you are required to put the headlamps on - and the maximum speed limit is reduced by 10 kph. Also remember that the name sign at entry to any town, village etc acts as a 50 kph / 30 mph limit sign, until you leave the town, when the name sign will have a black line through it - if the 50 kph limit ends there! It may not, so take care. A yellow diamond-shaped sign at the roadside means you are on a Priority road, and traffic on all junctions should give way to you. This priorite is cancelled at built-up areas by the same sign with a black line through it. All roads at junctions on non-priorite roads are NOT minor roads - if on your right, they are subject to the Prorite a Droit rule, whereby YOU must give way to traffic on your right. Always be prepared to give way, but do not assume it for yourself unless the traffic to your left has stopped. Even then, look out for idiot motorcyclists overtaking the cars which have stopped to give you priorite. Pedestrians have absolute right of way on a crossing, if they are about to step onto a crossing, and if they choose to wander on the road in town. As the French tend to stand and talk to each other at a crossing, this requires a certain amount of body language interpretation . . . Those who have passed their test less than 2 years ago, or are under 22, are restricted to a blood alcohol level of 20 mG/L - a quarter of the UK level - this really means NO drinking at least within 12 hours of driving. The generally lower level of alcohol is of particular note on the last night of le Mans etc, when les Gendarmes will be waiting along the road - and in the morning. Any infraction of le loi will result in being breathalised. Do NOT park in any disabled bay - even by a wheel's width - as this will attract a 135 euro fine, even if you are with your car. French law requires that number plates are rigidly secured to the vehicle, as a number plate travelling at 80 mph towards the windscreen of an a 80 mph car could cause an accident, or even decapitate a motorcyclist. In practice this means rivets - and a similarly secure method of attachment is required for foreign-registered cars, such as self-tapping screws or nuts and bolts. The popular (in the UK) method of using double-sided adhesive tape is NOT acceptable, and can result in the vehicle being retained by the roadside until the gendarmes are satisfied. This attitude is particularly prevalent in cases of gross speeding in the 'race' to the ferryports, and can of course mean that you miss your ferry while trying to satisfy a literal-minded gendarme. If you cannot do so, your vehicle can be impounded (at a charge) until it is rectified. New Laws/Changes: The signs warning of radars ahead are supposed to have been removed, but fortunately this requirement has been ignored. Remember that les gendarmes will soon be able to prosecute you in the UK, and a fine may be on the doormat when you get home. The cameras are usually set to operate at a level of 5% over the limit, but do not relay on this - I have been caught by a camera set at 3 kph over the limit! Pedestrians and cyclists now have right of way if on the road, no matter what they are doing - but they have been told to use a bit of common sense! Using a hand held phone - up from 35 Euro to 135. Exceeding a speed limit by 30 mph can now result in a year in prison and a fine of up to 4500 Euros. Watching a television set or computer screen while driving - 1500 Euro fine Posession, carraige, or use of any type of advance radar/laser etc warning equipment - 1500 Euros. This includes GPS units with camera site alert warnings, which must be disabled permanently (ie a software change) not just turned off. There will be no 'But it's legal in the UK and I turned the alerts off when I came to France' type of excuses. They also know how to interrogate a satnav to find the maximum speed travelled at, as well as the time and place. Driving on the hard shoulder - 135 Euros, even if you do so with only one set of wheels. MoT test required for mopeds later this year. Any trace whatever of 'recreational' drugs - 1 year in prison and 4500 Euro fine. This will also apply to 'Do not drive or operate machinery' type drugs such as those for travel (sea)sickness, hay fever etc. Take care, or you may have an opportunity for a free one-year residential course in spoken French, with food provided! One unused disposable breathalyser to be carried on all vehicles - obviously if you ever propose to use it, that means two, so leaving one unused unit. The requirement to use your breathalyser has been placed n 'hold.' Motorcyclists have been required to use dipped beams in daytime for some time, but car drivers are now 'Strongly recommended' to do so now that daytime running lights are becoming more common. Such practice is not common, bit it it is possible that this will be soon required by law, which could be the reason for 'Headlamps on' signs being removed from tunnel entrances. Naturally, in the case of tourists, les gendarmes will use their discretion, and multiply the fine by whatever number comes into their heads! They are happy to accept all credit cards. If you buy a breathaliser in the UK, make sure that it carries the 'NF' Norme Francais marking, wihout which it will not be recognised under French law: ![]() Edited by Mike Fishwick - 04 May 2015 at 6:31pm |
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As I suggested earlier, a software update is required for use of satnavs in France which have a speed camera site warning, the favoured alternative being 'Danger Zone' warning, which will bore you stiff with warnings of schools, bridges, tunnels, bends and anything else it can include! This means that users will stop taking notice of the warnings, or turn them off.
The TomTom website now carries the following: Changes to the law in France Since decree n°2012-3 was introduced on 3 January 2012 it has been illegal to be warned about the position of fixed or mobile speed cameras while you are driving in France. If your TomTom navigation device has the Speed Camera service and you continue to use the service, you risk a fine of up to €1500. New update: TomTom Speed Camera service becomes Danger Zones in France TomTom had a meeting with the Road Safety Ministry to clarify the situation regarding new and upcoming legislation. As a result, TomTom is introducing a 100% compliant Danger Zones service available in a free download for compatible products. It's a bit ambiguous, in that what constitutes 'You continue to use the service' does not tell users if it is acceptable to simply turn the warnings off, but it does confirm the illegality of the original system. However, the Britanny Ferries website is more specific: The possession, transport and use of speed-camera alert systems, which notify drivers of speed camera locations, is forbidden. This includes satellite navigation systems (SAT NAV, also known as GPS) and Smartphones with this function. The software on these devices must be updated to replace the speed-camera alert function with a “dangerous zones” alert function. This updated function will display bridges, tunnels, schools, hospitals, and traffic problems The above 'Possession, transport and use' clause means that it is illegal to have a satnav with camera site warnings in the car, even if not in use, while travelling through France. With a potential for easy pickings the gendarmes will probably be very busy. However, as this law is almost unenforceable the gendarmes will probably only be interested if you have been stopped for another offence, such as speeding. Edited by Mike Fishwick - 20 Apr 2012 at 3:23pm |
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 1:25pm |
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Please see the first posting for details of the necessary Norme Francais approval mark for DIY breathalisers, without which they will not be recognised under French law. Expect to pay 1 Euro each for them in France, but no doubt more in the UK!
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I have just added a note to the 'Existing Laws' section regarding the use of double-sided adhesive tape for securing number plates. While this is a fairly common practice in the UK, particularly on 'Performance' cars, it is not accepted in France.
The Pistonheads forum has many tales of irate Brits being detained by the roadside while they secure their number plates enough to satisfy the gendarmes, although it only seems to occur in cases of gross breaches of the speed limit, just to make sure that people get the point! Now that speeding offences can follow you home (by kind permission of DVLA) the gendarmes may be less keen on such minor points of law, but one never knows. Edited by Mike Fishwick - 21 Aug 2012 at 9:45am |
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Posted: 06 Sep 2012 at 10:53pm |
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we might as well skip france and take the ferry to holland... or take the eurostar! Vive la France!
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Posted: 07 Sep 2012 at 8:32am |
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Its not that bad, yes you have to carry a few stupid extra things, but i just went to Holland and back and took the Dover to Dunkirk ferry, which means i had minimal France to cover. Most people i spoke to on the ferry didn't bother as the French poilce are not really interested in the folks who are 'leaving France' as soon as they arrive. Total extra cost was circa £10 for unnecesacery things but these things last at leat 2 years and also if you that bothered about it, sell them when you get back!
Still i was rather safe than sorry but i did use insulation tape on my lights and i didn't even get a batted eye lid from neither the French, Belgian, Dutch or German police even though i was going rather quickly everywhere!
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Posted: 07 Sep 2012 at 8:42am |
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The only truly unnecessary things required by the French are breathalisers, as the others - reflective jackets, warning triangle, properly secured number plates, headlamp adjustment etc are all sensible items and should apply in the UK anyway.
The real problem is that the Brits seem to resent being required to carry anything other than a bundle of CDs, even if (as in the case of triangles and reflective jackets) they may even save their lives. Maybe they value their lives at less than the cost (£10 or so) of these useful things . . . All those who claim that they will by-pass France as some kind of protest should remember that Holland and Germany, in common with most European countries, have similar requirements, and do not appreciate visitors flouting their laws. It's about time the UK imposed a few sensible motoring requirements too, instead of allowing DVLA to run riot with their money-making schemes. Edited by Mike Fishwick - 07 Sep 2012 at 8:54am |
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We carried all the necessary on our holidays this year with no issues however we did notice an increase in Police presence at certain motorway junctions and busy roads when we were in the Dordogne. But to be honest if you give them no reason to stop you then you'll not go through the hassle.
So cut the speed and be sensible, that's what we did, OK it added an extra hour or so on the drive down but we would have lost that at some of the appalling toll booths and the road behaviour before it (crossing lanes to get to another, plus little lane discipline etc etc).
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Don't forget about the people who imagine that leaving the toll booths is a grand prix, mixed with those who want to move from the LH lanes to the car park and loos at the extreme RH side! I find that the French are unable to anticipate - perhaps they are not taught to do so.
Please note that although lots of French people claim that they cannot buy breathalisers in their area, the government have stated that no allowances will be made after 1 November, when the law on carrying them will be enforced. |
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The infamous Breathaliser law looks like it will be done away with, and pending a review it is being suspended until 1 March 2013.
Even hard-line road safety pressure groups doubt its effectiveness, and President Hollande does not consider it is worthwhile, so we can expect it to disappear by Easter. We should not, however, regard this as carte blanche to drink and drive. |
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Do you not also have to carry a full set of spare bulbs? Since you are required to stop and assist a broken down car it is worth carrying a tyre pump and decent first aid kit.
Of all the laws ignorance of priority from the right is the scariest and counter intuitive. It cost me over £2k in repairs, shortened the holiday and wrote off a peasants little old AX. |
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Posted: 10 Nov 2012 at 10:54am |
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Everyone should carry spare bulbs - and be able to fit them, but I have never heard of French law requiring people to act in the roadside assistance role.
Priorite a Droit gives Brits in particular a real problem, as we tend to regard a road as having priority over side roads joining it, and none of the popular motoring guides really spell out that unless otherwise stated, you should give way to traffic emerging from the side road. If you know about it, and observe it, Priorite a Droit can be very handy, but it can also be a real hazard, particularly if people regard the law as meaning they can emerge from a side road in front of a vehicle travelling at speed on a collision course with them! Edited by Mike Fishwick - 10 Nov 2012 at 10:58am |
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Hi all
Unfortunately fitting bulbs on many moderns is not such an easy task.
In some cases to change a headlamp bulb means the removal of the front bumper and that is on a Renault for one.
Even some more mundane bulbs like indicator mean a 2 or 3 hour job to change.
I hope the Gendarme would not expect a driver to do this in front of them on the side of the road
Priorite a Droit I've seen was in a small village with a square and a crossroads. The road to my right was hidden by a building but that did not stop the local from just coming straight out because of Priorite a Droit.
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Such behaviour is a favourite pastiome for 14 year olds on their little motor scooters - I once sat in our local bar, watching them fly across a blind junction, secure in the knowledge that any traffic to their left shoud give way to them - and forgetting that the other traffic would not know they were on a collission course! But of course - they had priority, and their feet on the handlebars!
If you cannot replace a headlamp bulb, the gendarmes would be within their rights to demand your car be recovered to a garage whoo CAN replace the bulb. I doubt if they would, but driving on one headlamp wil put you in the wrong should anyone else run into you. In such cases of course, fog lamps would be a stop-gap substitute - about the only use they have. Our Golf TDI requires that the front apron be removed to change a bulb - any bulb - but it is only a ten-minute job with a torx key or two. How manufacturers get TuV Type Approval for such strupid designs defeats me . . . Edited by Mike Fishwick - 12 Nov 2012 at 10:35am |
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The Breathaliser Law has been put on ice while it is properly considered - politicianspeak for giving it a decent burial which no-one will notice or lament!
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We're due to come over in about 6 weeks but I'm not really looking
forward to it due to the dreadful police - they seemingly learned a lot
in the 1940-45 period. I vastly prefer Germany where the cops are
reasonable human beings.
It's possible to convert E36 headlights to dip the other way but involves undoing screws and turning the bulb holder around. There are no adjusters mentioned in the handbook and I doubt beam benders do much, and you try explaining all this to some nasty little man in a uniform. Will stick some bits of black vinyl on to keep Les Cochons 'appy. |
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Les Gendarmes are fine - so long as you don't try to be smart with them! Just stick to the speed limits etc and you will not have any problems.
The E36 headlamps cannot be converted by turning the bulb holders, as the prismatic lenses wil be in the same place! To 'convert' E36 headlamps, follow the instructions in the 'How To' forum by sticking pieces of PVC insulation tape in the correct places - or by the BMW sticky bits if you prefer. |
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In the hand book of my E85 Z4, it says the lights can be altered by the use of a lever under the front wheel arch. Is this correct for all Z4 E85s, or some sort of optional extra?
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Erm is it all worth it?
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Just returned from the AGM, after a 3500 mile trip to the UK!
I would think that the Z4 lights CAN be converted easily, as they are projector type units, these only requiring a small amount of rotation to change the angle of the dip beam cut off. |
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Three small screw and turn the dipped beam bulb holder around to the other position, job done. We're not going to bother this year though. |
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The BMW method of sticking blanking pieces on the headlamp covers loses most of the range from the dip beam, so is understandably not popular amongst those who plan to drive at night.
E36 lights are not supposed to be adjustable for LHD use, and I suspect that the screws are pitched too far apart to give the correct adjustment. When one looks at a projector headlamp, the amount of movement between LHD and RHD settings is very small, so while this dodge may give a decent dipped beam for the driver, it may be at the expense of dazzling oncoming people. Quite apart from that, as the bulb filaments are axial (that is, they run fore-and-aft) you can turn the bulbs for ever without making any difference to the beam pattern - that is what the prismatic lenses are for! Edited by Mike Fishwick - 16 May 2013 at 2:31pm |
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We saw your car with the French plates... and although we were in the meeting (came late and left 10 min before it finished), unfortunately did not have the chance to meet you. I brought the Alpina D3 this time! I was sure that you would have won the prize for the longest distance driven to come to the meeting!!! (just I won it last year...) |
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During my visit tothe UK I was surprised to see how badly the roads had deteriorated since my last visit in November - Dorset had the worst road sufaces by a large margin.
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France is a lovely place, good food, good wine, good fags
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That's a point of view - but while France is a beautiful country, even without the Brits the UK would still be pretty awful! The only good things in the whole country are the industrial museums, which chart the decline of a once-great nation.
Like the Brits, les Francais are OK when you get to understand them - and I feel far safer when sharing the roads with the French, who are faster than the Brits, but far less aggressive, Mayhem begins outside Dover ferryport, and then quickly degenerates into mobile traffic jams - I think you call them motorways . . . Incidentally, perhaps you may agree with the following quotation: France has neither winter, nor summer, nor morals. Apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually been governed by prostitutes." --Mark Twain Edited by Mike Fishwick - 23 Jun 2013 at 12:02pm |
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Norrie asked 'Is it worth it?' on the subject of adjusting headlamps for use in Europe.
The answer is 'Yes' unless you are one of those people who get a kick out of knowlingly dazzling oncoming drivers, and apart from that, it is a legal requirement. A lot of people seem to think that getting away with something such as this is a kind of score against the French or the EU . . or maybe it is regarded as revenge for some medieaval victory of les Francais over les Rosbifs! Those who are too lazy/ill-mannered/ignorant to do so are easy meat for any police officer - and not just in France. Should a gendarme pick you up on this, look forward to your car being impounded until you do something about it. They also give a pretty poor impression of Brits on holiday, and I am not alone in my dislike of being dazzled by those who appear to think that a Bitish passport gives one freedom to ignore not only the laws of another country, but basic good manners and consideration for others. Motorcyclists, motorhomes, and 4X4s are the worst offenders, as their high level headlamps shine downwards directly into the eyes of those in low cars such as the Z3. The usual lame excuse is that 'I will not be driving at night,' but dipped beams are mandatory in most European countries during conditions of rain or fog etc, which may well be encountered. So - please do something about your dipped beams BEFORE you go to Europe - it is not difficult, and there is plenty of help in the matter from other people, not to mention BMW dealers and many owners' handbooks. I use wide PVC insulation tape to mask my dipped beams, and after removal clean off any adhesive residue with Rain-X, which is basically alcohol and will not damage the polycarbonate covers. After arrival at the AGM I was amused to find that found that someone in the car park at Kidderminster had removed my headlamp blanking pieces! Perhaps they thought that they would save a little money . . . Edited by Mike Fishwick - 16 May 2013 at 2:57pm |
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